"psychopath" is synonymous with "awesome" ???

Studlystuf (21:45:50): 1. Superficial charm and average intelligence.
2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking.
3. Absence of nervousness or neurotic manifestations.
4. Unreliability.
5. Untruthfulness and insincerity.
6. Lack of remorse or shame.
7. Antisocial behavior without apparent compunction.
8. Poor judgement and failure to learn from experience.
9. Pathological egocentricity and incapacity to love.
10. General poverty in major affective reactions.
11. Specific loss of insight.
12. Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations.
13. Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink, and sometimes without.
14. Suicide threats rarely carried out.
15. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated.
16. Failure to follow any life plan.
Studlystuf (21:45:57): haha, taht's the checklist for psychopathy
Studlystuf (21:45:59): how many of those are us?
msevier31 (21:46:06): lemme clock in
msevier31 (21:46:15): absence of delusions?
msevier31 (21:46:28): wouldnt delusions suggest psychopathy
Studlystuf (21:46:35): no
msevier31 (21:46:40): why not
Studlystuf (21:47:03): its a misconception of psychopathy
Studlystuf (21:47:03): Others consider the psychopath to be out of touch with reality (perhaps confusing the term with psychosis)
Studlystuf (21:47:25): In current clinical use, psychopathy is most commonly diagnosed using Robert D. Hare's Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R). Hare describes psychopaths as "intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret."[2] "What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony."
msevier31 (21:47:33): oh wow
msevier31 (21:47:42): so we're psychopaths?
msevier31 (21:47:54): i dont know why they spin it in such a negative light
Studlystuf (21:47:56): Currently, psychopathy is defined in psychiatry as a condition characterised by lack of empathy or conscience, and poor impulse control or manipulative behaviors.
Studlystuf (21:47:58): no shit
msevier31 (21:48:05): that sounds like normal life to me
Studlystuf (21:48:05): can it also be referred to as "badass"
msevier31 (21:48:14): arent we hard wired to do just that
msevier31 (21:48:18): to look out for #1?
msevier31 (21:48:22): thats called survival
Studlystuf (21:49:10): A psychopath is defined as a person having no concerns for the feelings of others and a complete disregard for any sense of social obligation. They seem egocentric and lack insight and any sense of responsibility or consequence. Their emotions are thought to be superficial and shallow, if they exist at all. They are considered callous, manipulative, and incapable of forming lasting relationships, let alone of any meaningful love
Studlystuf (21:49:14): change that first sentence
Studlystuf (21:49:18): a "badass" is defined as
msevier31 (21:49:35): um
msevier31 (21:49:47): i think you just described our entire modus operandi
msevier31 (21:49:54): paint it with whatever brush you want
msevier31 (21:50:02): slap whatever label you want on top of it
msevier31 (21:50:05): but thats life
msevier31 (21:50:08): thats survival
Studlystuf (21:50:09): Dr. Joseph Newman contends that the behavior displayed by psychopaths is the result of "an inability to process contextual cues."
msevier31 (21:50:10): thats us
Studlystuf (21:50:11): that's not right at all
msevier31 (21:50:16): no that certainly isnt
msevier31 (21:50:22): its the total disregard of contextual cues
Studlystuf (21:50:28): we're masters at processing contextual cues
msevier31 (21:50:29): its the acknowledgement and disregard
Studlystuf (21:50:30): haha
msevier31 (21:50:31): thats ALL we do
Studlystuf (21:50:36): its why we can manipulate so well
msevier31 (21:50:39): thats why we do what we do
msevier31 (21:50:46): how could you manipulate if you didnt understand the situation?
msevier31 (21:50:53): or the context if you will
msevier31 (21:51:05): i think dr newman may need to rethink it
msevier31 (21:51:14): he's as glib as rushofadrenalin
Studlystuf (21:51:16): It is thought that any emotions which the primary psychopath exhibits are the fruits of watching and mimicking other people's emotions. They show poor impulse control and a low tolerance for frustration and aggression. They have no empathy, remorse, anxiety or guilt in relation to their behavior. In short, they truly are devoid of conscience. However, they understand that society expects them to behave in a conscientious manner, and therefore they mimic this behaviour when it suits their needs.
Studlystuf (21:51:31): in short
Studlystuf (21:51:36): they truly are devoid of conscience
Studlystuf (21:51:40): its not just conscience i lack
Studlystuf (21:51:49): its morality as well
msevier31 (21:52:30): its not just your weak we claim
Studlystuf (21:52:39): hahaha
Studlystuf (21:52:41): its your strong
Studlystuf (21:52:44): your first born
Studlystuf (21:52:45): It has been shown that punishment and behavior modification techniques do not improve the behavior of a psychopath. They have been regularly observed to respond to both by becoming more cunning and hiding their behavior better. It has been suggested that traditional therapeutic approaches actually make them, if not worse, then far more adept at manipulating others and concealing their behavior. They are generally considered to be not only incurable but also untreatable.
msevier31 (21:52:59): exactly
msevier31 (21:53:08): we dont want to be 'treated'
msevier31 (21:53:10): we ARE the cure
Studlystuf (21:53:38): Cleckley also distinguished between two types of psychopathy: primary and secondary[8]. Primary psychopathy was defined as the root disorder in patients diagnosed with it whereas secondary psychopathy was defined as an aspect of another psychiatric disorder or social circumstances[13]. Today, primary psychopaths are considered to have mostly Factor 1 traits from the PCL-R (arrogance, callousness, manipulativeness, lying) whereas secondary psychopaths have a majority of Factor 2 traits (impulsivity, boredom proneness, irresponsibility, lack of long-term goals) [14].
Studlystuf (21:53:40): which type are we
Studlystuf (21:53:43): i lean more towards primary
msevier31 (21:53:45): lemme see
Studlystuf (21:53:45): primary
msevier31 (21:54:14): well im certainly not impulsive
msevier31 (21:54:19): and i dont lack long-term goals
msevier31 (21:54:31): can i take 2 slices of primary and 1 slice of secondary?
msevier31 (21:55:01): actually lets go 3 slices of primary and 1 slice of secondary
Studlystuf (21:55:10): haha
Studlystuf (21:55:14): you can make it however you want man
Studlystuf (21:55:15): Primary psychopaths' antisocial behavior is thought to be rooted in their inability to appreciate emotionally the consequences of their actions and an inability to form empathic bonds with others, even family. Since primary psychopaths do not experience the feelings that would usually inhibit other people's antisocial impulses, they do whatever is most expedient for getting what they want.
Studlystuf (21:55:18): that made me giggle
Studlystuf (21:55:19): a lot
msevier31 (21:55:31): haha
msevier31 (21:55:35): bc of the family thing
msevier31 (21:55:38): or the expedient part?
msevier31 (21:55:50): or what
Studlystuf (21:55:51): yes
Studlystuf (21:55:54): mic has some of that too
Studlystuf (21:55:55): For the primary psychopath especially prominant are the Factor 1 (in the two-factor model) PCL-R items of callousness/lack of empathy, shallow affect, lack of remorse or guilt, inability to accept responsibility for own actions, grandiose sense of self-worth, glibness/superficial charm, pathological lying, conning/manipulativeness.
msevier31 (21:56:02): i was gonna say theres a lot of mic coming out
Studlystuf (21:56:04): inability to accept responsibility
msevier31 (21:56:10): although mic may be more likely to qualify as a clinical psychopath
Studlystuf (21:56:13): haaha
msevier31 (21:56:14): whereas we're just pedestrian psychopaths
msevier31 (21:56:36): can i put all of this conversation on the blog
msevier31 (21:56:40): or should i omit some of the mic parts
Studlystuf (21:56:56): put it all up
Studlystuf (21:56:57): why
Studlystuf (21:56:58): dude
msevier31 (21:57:02): i dont live in okc
msevier31 (21:57:03): you do
Studlystuf (21:57:05): this is about secondary psychopaths
Studlystuf (21:57:07): tellm e this isnt mic
Studlystuf (21:57:08): They have hot tempers and are prone to reactive aggression. They experience normal to above-normal levels of anxiety but are nevertheless highly stimulus seeking and have trouble tolerating boredom. Their lifestyle may lead to depression and even suicidality.
msevier31 (21:57:18): well
msevier31 (21:57:22): the tolerating boredom thing?
msevier31 (21:57:27): his entire existence is tolerating boredom
Studlystuf (21:57:31): weak behavioral controls, irresponsibility, lack of realistic long-term goals, proneness to boredom/need for stimulation, parasitic lifestyle,
msevier31 (21:57:32): thats why he passes out randomly
msevier31 (21:57:41): haha
msevier31 (21:57:46): parasitic is a bit of a stretch
Studlystuf (21:57:51): would you call living at home til you're 30 a parasitic lifestyle?
msevier31 (21:58:06): id just call it the micstyle
msevier31 (21:58:12): its the micflavor
Studlystuf (21:58:48): he's suffering from micopathy
msevier31 (21:58:53): yes!
msevier31 (21:58:58): trademark it
Studlystuf (21:59:24): i love the run of "irresponsibiilty, lack of realistic long term goals"
Studlystuf (21:59:27): that's... beaitiful
msevier31 (21:59:41): if you sent that to lara, shed be like "plumley?"
Studlystuf (22:00:08): brad would too

WWJW?

okay so this is going to be an admittedly ignorant and speculative post, as are most...

as i was driving back from the grocery store this morning, i saw some people headed to church, dressed in suits and nice dresses, among other fine threads. it got me thinking

where did this tradition originate? why do people feel the need to dress up to go to church? many of these people wear a suit 5 or 6 days a week as it is, cant sunday be their free day?

perhaps there is something in the bible about reverence and appropriate dress, which i wont refute, but how does this translate into being ostentatious?

if anything, i think it would be irreverent to be ostentatious, as if you are focused on the wrong thing and may detract attention away from god. its the same reason they say women shouldnt dress too sexy to go to church -- modesty and humility in front of the lord. (insert bible passage)

jesus didnt wear a tuxedo, as far as i know. more likely is that he dressed very modestly and normally for the fashion of the time. its all about where your head and your heart are, and i dont think you need a 1200 dollar suit to learn about or worship whatever god you believe in

but hey, thats me, and i could be wrong (but im not)

People still go to church?

are you sure they weren't going to a funeral? or a funeral?

honestly, i think a lot of people go to church for the social aspect of it or for the status associated with it. for some reason i cant escape the parallel to american psycho and the aspect of oneupmanship -- trying to be more pious than the next guy, trying to look just a little bit nicer...showing off your custom-made italian suit, your new wife/girlfriend, and/or her new tits (tommy john surgery to the lay person)
i would say at the particular church i passed, less than half of the people go for the "right" reason

"You hate that job, anyway. Why don't you just quit?"

...because... i want... to fit in